Sunday 11 October 2015

Barada Barna Native Title Meeting

The Native Title area is roughly around Moranbah, Dysart and Nebo.

Currently the Barada Barna People are currently described as the descendants of the following apical ancestors:

Bob Lotus
Lizzy Payne
Daisy (wife of Booyah McDonald)
Maggie (wife of Toby Barker & Peter Darwin & Michael Angus)
'Polly' Mary (wife of Robert Noble and Bert Fox)
Robert Noble
Lizzie (wife of Paddy Flynn)
Polly (wife of Thomas Mitchell)
Lucy Ross

The meeting is to authorise the apical ancestors to be amended to the following -

The Barada Barna People are the descendants of:

Bob Lotus
Lizzy Payne
Daisy (wife of Booyah McDonald)
Maggie Barker (wife of Toby Barker & Peter Darwin & Michael Angus)
'Polly' Mary (wife of Robert Noble and Bert Fox)
Lizzie (wife of Paddy Flynn)
Polly (wife of Thomas Mitchell)
Lucy Ross
Laura (wife of Duke/George Barker, Neddy/Teddy Sauney and Adam Bowen)
Charles Budby (father of George ‘Saltbush’ Budby)

Appeared in the Courier Mail of October 10, 2015

Some notes of interest

Thomas Tiger Mitchell, aged about 60 years in 1938, born Talawanta Stn, Alexander River, Qld.
Polly Mitchell, born round 1875 - 1885  Nebo, Qld

Michael Angus died on 10.10.1933 at Suttor Creek, Nebo, aged 38 years and single.
His father is Michael Angus snr at Mirani,  mother was Kitty who died at the birth of Michael at
Eungella Stn.
Protector of Aborigines, Nebo,  Wages Register 1916 - 1946 shows Michael Angus died in 1939 and his bank account went to his wife Maggie Darwin.

24 comments:

  1. Hello there, am just sharing some family history. I am not Barada Barna nor is my missus, but her great-grandfather's name. Thomas 'Tiger' Mitchell is mentioned as (husband) to Barada Barna apical, Polly. Thomas 'Tiger' Mitchell was a Mayi Yapi man from the Conobie/Canobie station region (Flinders and Cloncurry river districts. His first wife, Dina was born and raised on Canobie station and died about 1905. Tiger was at Normanton in 1926 when he was removed to Palm Island. The removal order stated reason for removal was 'Eccentric and amorous towards white women'. In a Townsville newspaper article, he was recorded as 'KING OF PALM ISLAND', why? because he won more fights then anyone else on the island. A remarkable feature considering he was born in the 1870's, He was the son of Charlie and Kitty both from an area between Cloncurry and Normanton. Norman Tindale interviewed him on Palm Island in 1938. His second wife was Polly, they had two sons, but he had children to his previous wife all born in 1890's. Tiger is my partner's apical ancestor on the Mitakoodi Mayi native title claim registered 2015. Thomas Tiger Mitchell wasn't born on the Alexander river, he was born near on beside the Leichhardt River, Gulf of Carpentaria. Cheers Aaron Paterson 'married to the mob!' Cheers Paul, you do great work mate! what's your email?

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  2. Hi paul what information do you have on Laura (wife of Duke/George Barker, Neddy/Teddy Sauney and Adam Bowen)

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    1. My great grandmother was Duke Barker sister and he was married to a white woman AMY KING

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    2. Laura is the daughter of Maggie some call her Maggie Barker but her death Certificate states she is Maggie Parker, born in Winton to parents Minnie Watson and Freddie. Married Toby Parker in Winton, then married Yungala Mick. She also had another daughter Conne.
      Laura had a child with Duke George Barker (this is where I believe the name Barker and Parker got intermixed) and they had a daughter Mary who became Mary O'Sing who Duke Lived with until he died in Collinsville.
      Laura had a daughter Sarah Thorney, Duke married Amy King and together they had a daughter and son George Barker Jnr who passed within the last 10 years.
      Laura is neither Barada Barna nor Widi based on her heritage is descended from the Watson's on the Koa claim which has her grandmother Minnie Watson as an APICAL.
      I think a DNA would confirm connection for this person.

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    3. Hi thanks for this feed back, I'm a great great great grandchild of Maggie Barker who can I speak to about this information you provided?? Looking forward to hearing back from you, as I genuinely want closure. Willing to take a DNA to prove this statement/Accusations is the only truth moving forward. Regards Jo Sauney

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    4. Hi Jo, check Maggie’s death certificate #1951/1324 - 005182 shows her first husband was Toby Parker married in Winton, second marriage to Yungala Mick in Nebo. On her death record it shows her first marriage was in Winton and second in Nebo - then it seems an amendment was made on 8/6/2006 to include her husbands names as Toby Parker and Yungala Mick, then a further amendment was done 20/4/2011 to include children Norma and Duke by first marriage to Toby Parker and 1female to second marriage Yungala Mick [will need FOI to see changes as they make little sense].
      Also check The Protector of Nebo letter book records which clearly show a letter from POA Nebo to the POA Mackay enquiring about Maggie Darwin the wife of deceased man Peter Darwin in 1933 as she was not known in the Nebo area.
      The response was that Maggie had been around the Mackay area for quiet sometime and that the estate from Peter Darwin be given to his wife Maggie Darwin.

      In further correspondence from POA Nebo letter book states Maggie is the mother of daughters Laura and Polly. Laura is the mother of Mary O’Sing and Sarah Thorning her sister Polly is the mother of Connie.
      On Duke Barkers marriage Certificate to Amy King shows Duke’s mother as Mary Anderson and father George Barker of Clermont.
      There are no records including his war records which show any mention or connection to a Maggie as his mother.
      The confusion seems to be around Laura Adams/Sawney/ Thorning and Duke Barker having a child Mary Barker who married James O’Sing.
      Lastly in the Connection report of Anthropologist Dan Leo he states that he could find no connection of Maggie to being Wiri or connection to claim area and included her and others in the claim group at the request of other claimants.
      Hope this helps and gives you a starting place to undertake your own findings.
      On DNA there are quite a few mobs on the ancestry, my heritage sites which are then added to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Facebook group should you wish to share your DNA results.
      Happy to assist.

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  3. Not much I'm afraid

    Police Station, Nebo - Letterbook 23. 3.1916 - 6. 3.1917 Queensland State Archives
    11. 8.1916 George Barker, H/C aged 23 years applied for exemption. He is a native of Nebo and single.

    Norman Tindale Genealogical Sheets - John Oxley Library
    Adam Bowen appears on Palm Island Sheets 79 and 184 and Photo 1033

    Cherbourg Marriage
    Sarah Sawney, born c1910, parents Neddy Sawney (deceased) and Laura married Johnstone Mate Mate on 13. 4.1932 at Cherbourg

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  4. Hi all and Paul, I’m looking for information on my great grandmother Mary Seaward (Smith) who was also at Canobie Station born c1890 - she went down to Gayndah and married William J Russell in 1907 - we don’t have much info on her….

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    1. The only reference I have is
      William John Russell, Collarenabri, NSW, father 'white', married Mary Seawood Smith, aged 18 years, born Canobie, father 'white', on 5. 2.1907 at Maryborough
      (Chief Protector of Aborigines Marriage Application Correspondence for 1905, 1907 and 1908).

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  5. Hi all and Paul, I’m looking for information on my great grandmother Mary Seaward (Smith) who was also at Canobie Station born c1890 - she went down to Gayndah and married William J Russell in 1907 - we don’t have much info on her….

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  6. Hi Paul. My family are tracing our ancestry which has been very challenging since my mother, grandmother and great grandmother were all removed. We have the NSW marriage certificate of our great grandmother Daisy Erikson (nee May) and it says she was 28 in 1930 and born in Mackay (no birth certificate), the oral story is that she met her husband in Townsville and came to NSW to get married because she was pregnant. We have searched all the records we can in NSW and QLD and only found 1 Daisy May that suits her approx age and location, which is the Barker/Brown children who were taken from Nebo in 1908. We followed Daisy to Barambah in 1908, then she was sent out to Brisbane to work in 1914, then got her exemption certificate in Brisbane in 1922. We then cannot trace her until she appears in NSW in 1930. She died in 1958 and is buried in an unmarked grave in Botany Bay, Sydney. Would there be any additional info for Daisy May other than what we have found so far? Thank you!

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    1. Comment from Yiri Harding on Indigenous Soldiers at State Library.
      "Daisy May, one of the stolen children, was my grandmother. She was not a Barker sibling but was the daughter of John May and Ross Hess of Nebo I believe. She was in Cherbourg until she got an exemption certificate in 1922 when she went to Sydney and got married. She had 5 children and died in 1958."

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  7. Hi Ally
    Once someone has an exemption they tend to disappear from the records I look at. Howevet there are three people, Daisy May, Edna May and Margaret May listed as Wards in New South Wales. The New South Wales Archives may be able to help as they hold the records referring to Wards.

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    1. Thanks for replying so fast. We spoke with Aboriginal Affairs recently and were able to discount the NSW sisters Daisy May and Edna May as they were on Ulgundahi Island with their father when our Daisy May was pregnant and marrying her husband Frank in Sydney and never left (we have the marriage and birth certificates). I’m thinking the only way we would be able to gain more info would be oral history. We’ll keep searching!

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    2. Hi on the Qld State Library site for Indigenous Soldiers under George Barker - Daisy's descendants have written what has happened to her. Very Interesting and No relation to the Barkers or Brown's.

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    3. Hi, this, is the information from State library site on Indigenous soldiers. As a comment on the previous information on George Duke Barker.
      Comment from family member of Daisy May.
      Daisy May, one of the stolen children, was my grandmother. She was not a Barker sibling but was the daughter of John May and Ross Hess of Nebo I believe. She was in Cherbourg until she got an exemption certificate in 1922 when she went to Sydney and got married. She had 5 children and died in 1958.

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  8. Is there any information for Charlie Alley or Fanny Palmer from conobie?

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  9. has anyone got information on Charlie Barber

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    1. There is a Bertie Barber of Cherbourg, born c1909 Emerald, parents Charlie Barber and Rosie, who was married to Effie Smith.
      A Charlie Barber died on 27. 7.1919 at Rockhampton Hospital. This would have been during the Influenza pandemic of 1919.

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  10. is there information on Charlie Barber Barada Barna

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  11. I would like more information on Charlie Barber Barada man. He is my Great Great Great Grandfather. His son is Yatton Boney and information on families histories and where he is from?

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  12. Charlie Barber is related to me

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  13. Yatton Boney is my great great grandfather

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  14. Charlie Barber is my Grandmother Lizzy’s brother.

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