Iman People Native Title Claim
The claim group are described as the descendants of the following
Mary Arwa
Jim Waterton
Ada Robinson
Maggie Palmtree
Lizzie Palmtree
Mary Ann (mother of Maggie Dunn);
Eliza Shields
Fanny Waddy / Sandy
Dick Bundi / Bundai and Alice Dutton
Unnamed mother of John Serico
At the meeting a recommendation will be made to amend the current claim group description by replacing:
'John/James Serico' with 'the unnamed mother of John Serico' and
'Dick Bundi/Bundai' with 'Dick Bundi/Bundai and Alice Dutton'.
Appeared in the Koori Mail dated September 11, 2013
Odds and Ends
Living under the Act ' : Taroom Aboriginal Reserve 1911-1927
by Scott L'Oste-Brown and Luke Godwin 1995
Cecil Palmtree died at Taroom Reserve 22 November, 1914.
James Waterton died at Taroom Reserve 1 November, 1917.
Alice Bundi died at Taroom Reserve 9 December 1918.
Dito Palmtree died at Taroom Reserve on 3 June, 1919.
Maggie Palmtree,died at Taroom Reserve on 9 June, 1919.
Fanny Waddy died at Taroom Reserve on 30 May, 1919.
Billy Palmtree died at Taroom Reserve on 25 September, 1922.
Old Bundi died at Taroom Reserve on 6 October, 1923.
just because people die there dont mean they are from there
ReplyDeletePerfectly true. Those listed above are or are related to the apical ancestors for this claim.
ReplyDeleteThose above are the claimed Apical Ancestors of a group of people claiming to be Jiman from country they also claim is Jiman. The claimants are not Jiman and do not come from the Jiman claim area. Their Apical Ancestors all come from over the Great divide, in the Condamine,(Barrungum) country, also known as Western Wakka Wakka. not the Dawson.
DeleteHi, Does anyone have any information on a Nellie (Ellen) who married John Carmody in Taroom 1891. She was born in 1869 in Eurombah and is from the Iman Tribe. Her father's name was Dan and surname possibly Dunn/Dunne?? but I have been recently told that this surname probably just meant dark coloured rather than the actual surname.
ReplyDeleteThanks Sarah
Yep Sarah she's my grand mothers(Kate Sybil Monica Hamilton,nee Carmody) mother.
DeleteHi,my wife's great grandmothers name was Maggie Dunn( sometimes spelt Dunne).She was born about 1866 and married Ahsee( born in China) in 1895 in Taroom.They had six children,one was my wife's grandfather,William Ahsee,who was born at Eurombah in 1897.Maggie remarried to Peter Rouse at Purga when Ahsee died and had 3 children to him,one was called Nellie, I believe. This Nellie was born after 1900, but I see the same first names recurring down the family tree. Could be some connections?Maggie is from the Iman tribe .She and her mother Mary are cited on the land title claim documents. My wife and her twin sister are doing a painting exhibition at Goombungee in September in honour of Maggie Dunn.
DeleteI spent the weekend at those old places: Clare, Isla-Delusion Road/Cracow-Theodore tracing my Dreaming story that was given to me 20 years ago. Everything was exactly as I was told and the connections to old Camboon property is in my family history. The old woman buried at Clare is connected to me somehow because the hills behind Clare was the camping grounds for my great, great grandmother and her people. I work at the Woorabinda Council if anyone wants to talk. My name is Douglas Graham.
DeleteI followed a Dreaming story I was given 20 years ago, on the weekend. I ended up on the corner of the Isla-Delusion Road and the Cracow-Theodore Road and everything was exactly as I was told. And across the road was Clare, the resting place of Nellie Carmody (Dunne), the old Jiman woman who wet-nursed Achibald Graham and had 16 children to John Carmody. Clare was part of the original Camboon property taken up by Bell and Hyde, my ancestors all walked that country and were recorded as living there. In the hills beyond Clare was the camping grounds of my great, great grandmother and her families. You see, I've always maintained that our Dreaming stories are real and after 20 years I found that place that was shown to me in my dream all those years ago, by my grandfathers father. I know who I am and which country I'm connected to and all those people who are connected to me through my Dreaming.
DeleteThanks for all your replies and sharing your stories. They have all been very helpful. My apologies for taking so long to reply.
DeleteMrHambone73, Kate was the sister to Thomas Isla Carmody, my husbands great grandfather. Do you have any photographs of the family at all.
brian cook, I believe Maggie Dunn was Nellie's sister. Do you know anything about their parents and if Dunn was their actual surname? I have just been given some information stating that their father Dan first name may be Billy and was known as "Cockatoo Billy". This hasn't been confirmed as it was Nellie's grandchild Sybil Carmody who thought this. Records state Dan Dunn.
wardingarri, what a wonderful story. I didn't know any of this so it was lovely to hear. I am also planning on travelling up to Clare and surrounds in a few months which I am very excited about. I would like to see Nellie's resting place also, is it easy to find?
You can email me directly if you wish - sarah@terah.com.au
Hi, does anyone have information on Maggie Dunn and/ or her mother Mary as listed above .We have some but wish to share and find more.Maggie later became Maggie Rouse. Thanks
ReplyDeleteNellie Dunn is my grandmother born abt 1869 Cockatoo Station near Taroom. Maggie Dunn maybe her sister. Their mother may be Mary Ann. Been searching Nellie for years but always dead ends prior to her marriage to John Carmody at Waterton Station near Taroom in 1891. Any info would be awesome.
DeleteMeant Nellie is my great grandmother*
DeleteReferences to Maggie Rouse appear on Dr Bill Day's web site at http://www.drbilldayanthropologist.com/resources/Leslie%20Davidson_Jamey%20Arnold1975.pdf
ReplyDeleteMaggie Rouse and 3 children were removed from Nanango to Deebing Creek in 1914.
A Maggie Rouse married a Paul Leno in 1920 (marriage officially registered).
Thanks so much for that information Paul. It was not long after that, by coincidence that we were at Purga, looking for any remnants of the old mission when we found a grave simply marked "Maggie, wife of Paul Leno" and nearby Paul Leno's grave as well.If not for your information,Maggie could have been anyone. Since then we have cleaned up Maggie's and Paul's grave sites and paid respects.Thank you.
DeleteDoes anyone know the names of the 3 children that were remove with Maggie from Nanango to Deebing creek
DeleteA statement by two people living at Purga Mission in 1976 stated -
Delete1. When I was living at Purga Mission I also knew the mother of Elsie Rouse, Mrs Maggie Rouse. She was an Aborigine whose tribal country was around Manango (?Nanango). She was married (either legally or de facto association) to Peter Rouse. Peter Rouse was an Aborigine. Their three children, Alfie, Harry and Elsie Rouse were all Aborigines.
2. I knew that Mrs Maggie Rouse was before her marriage to Peter Rouse previously married to Mr Auhsee. They had quite a few children, including Mary, Annie, Johnnie, Katie, Willie and Nellie.
Note this is the recollection of the two people and should be regarded as that.
Hi. Does anyone have any information on Maggie Palmtree? She is my 3rd great grandmother and died in Taroom 9.6.1919. I have been researching our family for years but can't find anything on Maggie or her family. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
ReplyDeleteHi could Maggie Palmtree be the wife of (King) Billy Palmtreee (Palm Tree) he is also being claimed as an apical for Wulli Wulli and the Wakka Wakka Dodds. I have him as being at Boondooma station also.
DeleteHi I am also looking for information on Maggie Palm tree. Any info would be greatly appreciated
DeleteHi @CountryChick Maggie Palmtree is my third great grandmother also. If you see this contact me poppypoppoppy79@yahoo.com.au
DeleteI'm trying to piece my partners family tree together, his mother died when he was very young so a lot is unknown. We believe Eliza Shields is his GGG grandmother. Mother Phyllis Joan Hart (Riley), G/mother Nora Ellen (Nell) Williams DB 1905 Father unknown, GG/mother Annie Williams DB 1885 Taroom, GGG/mother Eliza Shields DB 1861 Taroom.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone can help confirm this is a correct for us we would appreciate it and we would love to know the name of Nora's (Nell) father. We Believe she later married George Booker but Nora & Frank were from her first marriage. Thanks
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI am a descendent of Lizzie Palmtree. Does anyone know how Lizzie is connected to Maggie Palmtree? Or who Lizzie Palmtree parents were? My email is cjeffrey75@gmail.
Cass
I am also a descendant of Lizzie Palmtree. She was my great great great grandmother
DeleteHi,I was told today from Iman Tribe (Wardingarri Corporation) people that they believe that Maggie and Lizzie Palmtree are sisters.(But they were not certain).would you have any further information on this?
DeleteAda Robinson, Waddy/Sandy, Bundi do not have connections to the Dawson rather to Dalby in country called Barunggum which the Iman people do not recognise. Further, Mary-Ann mother of Maggie McLean was the first recorded speaker of the Wulilli language so she can't be Iman if she speaks Wulilli. Iman have no language and the upper Dawson continues to hold the language of the Wulilli.
ReplyDeleteI am descended from Ada Robinson who was my grandfathers grandmother. My grandfather Raymond Nerang with his brother Thudoowaw (Stanley- deaf lived at Cherbourge in old hut with dirt floor)mother was Rosey Queary -she married a Jim Cressbrook, hence we then took name Cressbrook. Ada Robinson married Jim Queary and she was connected to Western Darling Downs area.
DeleteAda Robinson was married to Jimmy Queary, they are my Great, Great Grandparents, Fred, Edward, Percy & . Rosie are their children. Rosie is my Great grandmother, her daughter Ruby ( Stolen Generation) is my grandmother her siblings are Violet, Lorna, Raymond, Percy Cressbrook & George Cross.
DeleteMaggie Palmtree had a son and daughter. The daughter whose name was Rose married Patrick Bray and they had a number of sons and daughters. One of their daughters Lily Reid (nee Bray) was May Hoffman's mother and May Hoffman is my grandmother. That is all the information I have at the moment.
ReplyDeleteShe was Rose Tull
DeleteRose Tull of Valentine Plains, Banana, aged 38 yrs, born Red Hill, Mt Morgan, parents James Tull and Maggie Palmtree married Patrick Bray of Valentine Plains, Banana, aged 45 yrs, born Cardarah Stn, Burnett, parents Michael Bray and Mary Anne Lamb, on 26. 7.1918 at Mt Morgan.
DeleteWould Mary Anne Lamb be related to all the "Lamb" family in Taroom?Just wondering if you might know??
DeleteUnfortunately not.
DeleteHi, does anyone have any info on Dick Bundi / Bundai and Alice Dutton please? My grandfather is
ReplyDeleteBertie Bundai aka Albert Davies who was removed at an early age
Look up Nils Holmer, he has recorded Arthur Bundai speaking his Barrungum language. Any trouble, just contact me.
DeleteArthur Bundai H/C, born c1895 Taroom, parents Dick and Alice Bundai, wife Kate
ReplyDeleteRobert Bundai, age 21 yrs, born Taroom, parents Jack Bundai and Alice Dalton, married Lorna Cobbo in 1930.
Bertie Bundi appears in the "Indexes to correspondence relating to Aborigines and Torres Strait
Islanders, 1894-1905 – Deebing Creek" available to download at the Queensland State Archives web site
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ReplyDeleteBrian Cook. My g grandmother is Nellie Dunn who married a John (Jack) Carmody at Waterton Station near Taroom in 1891. She was born at Cockatoo Station abt 1869. She possibly has a sister Maggie Dunn born at the same location abt 1867. I have been researching Nellie for years and always come to a dead end on any info prior to her marriage. I believe she is part of the Iman Tribe. Any info you may have would be awesome. Contact me if you wish.
ReplyDeleteHi Karele, we have lots of information on Maggie.My wife,Susan is a G Granddaughter of Maggie Dunn. Sarah Cullen above has plenty of info on Nellie and has even sent us a photo. Unfortunately, as with Nellie, most of the information we have is after her marriage in Taroom.vicvend@hotmail.com
DeleteHi Brian Cook, Maggy Dunn is my Great Great Grandmother (through the line of her daughter Nellie Ah See). Wondering if You can share some information on her. Kind Regards,Megan
ReplyDeleteHi, does anyone have any information on Lizzie Palmtree such as her childrens names and partner. I want to confirm the info i have is correct. Lizzy is most likely my 3 x great grandmother. My 2nd great grandfather i believe is a son to her named George. My email is cjeffrey75@gmail.com
ReplyDeletehave sent you an email
DeleteHi Megan, I am the daughter of Alfie Rouse, Nellie's half brother, son Maggie Dunn and Peter Rouse. Nellie lived in Gordonvale and her sister Kitty (Aunty Kate, as we knew her) used to come visit us in Bundaberg on her way to see her. My Aunty was visiting her when she passed and Aunty Nellie escorted her back in the train to her resting place in Ipswitch. The Ah See family have visited Aunty Kate, in ipswitch, when one of my sisters was staying with her. So before Aunty passed they were in touch.
ReplyDeleteI somehow ended up finding this page while trying to research my family. Can anyone tell me how I might find records of someone who was on Mount Auburn Station, Gayndah. She may have also been in Jandowae. Her name was Brunak. I only have a first name, she is my 3rd great grandmother. I have been given information that my 3rd great grandfather was married to someone else but also had a few children with Brunak. I possibly came to find this page as I have taken a DNA test and have matches who are descendants of Lizzie Palmtree. WOuld anyone know how I can possible search for Brunak?
ReplyDeleteNikki, Lizzie Palmtree is one of 10 APICAL family Ancestors belonging to the Iman Tribe and Wardingarri Corporation. You could call the Wardingarri (Iman Tribe) Corporation in Rockhampton on (07) 4926 6121 or email on sheridan@wardingarri.org.au The office is open Mon-Thurs.9AM to 3PM.Your Totem is the Carpet Snake is about all I know. Brian(& Susan) Cook
DeleteThank you so much Brian for the information. I will definitely contact them.
DeleteI am looking for descendants of John/James Serico and his daughter Mathilda (Tilly) Serico, please contact me c/- Link-Up NSW on 02 72271443
ReplyDeleteThe Community and Personal Histories people in Brisbane should be able to help.
DeletePhone: 1800 650 230
Email: enquiries@dsdsatsip.qld.gov.au
Web: https://www.qld.gov.au/firstnations/cultural-awareness-heritage-arts/family-personal-history
There was a marriage as follows
Percy Saltner, son of Jack Saltner & Lottie Pope and Rachel Dodd, daughter of Tommy Dodd & Lillie (?Tillie) Serico married 21/9/1928 at Gayndah.
I'm one of John Serico's great grandchildren. Tilly was my granfather's sister. She married Thomas Dodd. Happy to talk to you about this.
DeleteAnonymous was asking about which 3 children of Maggie Dunn's were taken to Purga. They were Alfi, Harry and Elsie in 1924.She had 3 other children taken to Deebing Creek Mission in 1904-Anne, Nelly and Kitty. Maggie married 3 times-to Ah See, to Peter Rouse and finally in 1924 to Paul Leno. Maggie had 3 other surviving children: Frank, Mary & William Ah See (My wife, Susan's grandfather)
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